Extreme Saving and Early Retirement

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Are financial freedom and financial independence still possible for me? Are they possible for you?

I’ve started thinking that once I’ve eliminated this mountain of debt, I could keep my savings rate high for a few more years to try to do some catching up on retirement savings. I know its too late to catch up to 20 lost years of compounding interest. I know that Financial Independence (complete retirement) may never be possible, but at least I could get to place of ‘Financial Freedom’ (aka ‘working retirement’) within the next 10 years.

Meaning that I’ll have to keep working after 50, but I can work where and how I want, knowing that I’ll have enough return from my investments to always have money to afford a basic place to sleep and food to eat. No staying at a terrible job out of desperation. For example, once in Financial Freedom, I could do contract work for 6 months each year and then travel and relax the other half of the year, or get a job overseas, or take a lower paying job in a cool environment with less stress, or hell, work for myself. It’s easy to get giddy at the possibilities.

What do I mean by Financial Freedom and Financial Independence? The image below shows my (over)simplified definitions.

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 Image term definition: * FU Fund = F@%% You! Fund – This is the money that you keep in savings to protect you if your good working environment suddenly becomes toxic/unstable/etc., and you have to leave before lining up another job.

Want to learn more about extreme saving and early retirement?  Two of the best known sources on this topic are Mr. Money Mustache and Jacob @ Early Retirement Extreme. Both of these men ‘retired’ in their early thirties as a result of living on little and saving a lot.

Mr. Money Mustache:

The Shockingly Simple Math Behind Early Retirement

Getting Rich from Zero to Hero in One Blog Post 

How I Retired at 32 (Yahoo Finance Article)

Jacob @ Early Retirement Extreme

 How I became financially independent in 5 years

How I live on $7,000 per year

As you can tell, Jacob is the more extreme of the two. Both of them have great information-packed sites including forums and other resources.

Could I save 75% net income for 7 years to reach Financial Freedom?  I’ve seen this table in a few places online, so I’ve re-created it here.

Retirement Chart

At this savings rate, I could be out of debt in 3 years, and ‘working retired’ (financial freedom) 7 years after that at 50 years old. Wow!  Is this even possible for me? Right now my living expenses account for about 23% of my net income per month for a 77% savings rate. Yes, it is possible with sacrifice. Is this reasonable for me over the long-term (several years)? Hmmm.

Therein lies the rub. At this rate I don’t know if I will last in this career for 10 years. I don’t even know if I’ll last in this job for another year. The last few months have been quite stressful. I don’t know what the future holds. Even so, it’s still a goal to aim for and food for thought.
Anyone else consider extreme saving for early retirement?

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“Debtor’s prison is real, and opportunity cost is a bitch.” (DDSW)

Where is my CTRL+ALT+DELETE button? Craigslist season opens again.

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I know I’ve been M.I.A for a while. My job is causing me all kinds of stress.  It then takes me all weekend to build the strength to string two thoughts together, let alone write a partially coherent blog post. My new manager is still scary. Every time she requests a meeting with me I panic that I’m going to get reprimanded and put on the short list for a PIP (the pre-firing “performance improvement plan”).

I’ve slowed down my debt pay off. This has been hard for me to do because I’m getting so close to being in four digits of credit card debt instead of five. It will be such a boost to be under $10,000.  Why am I slowing down my credit card murder payoff? I need to move.  My lease will be ending within the next couple of months and I want to find someplace much cheaper to live. I also want to be able to see what kitchen counters look like again (messy packrat roommate). Soooo, I will need to save 2X – 3X rent to move into a new place. I’m sure this housing hunt will earn another post. If you’ve ever competed for housing on Craigslist in a large city with a housing shortage, you’ll understand.

Craigslist roommate listings. You either get:

1. The overly specific poster with a long list of random requirements. It’s easier to join the cast of Big Brother, than get a room in their apartment. O.M.G.!  “Must play french horn with us every Tuesday evening and speak Swahili to our three 10 year old triplet Bengal cats”.  NEXT! Sigh…

The Most Insane Roommate Ad

2. The poster with weird habits that don’t match your weird habits.  A lot of ads have this kind of “kicker” at the bottom of the ad. Everything sounds great until you get to the last paragraph. “Oh, by the way all 5 of the other roommates will have to go through your room to get to the kitchen. The last tenant didn’t mind”. (Really? Well, you should get him/her back.) I’ve started reading the last paragraph first to save time. Sigh…  “NEXT!”

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3. The poster who wants your money, but doesn’t want you.

These posters will do things like spend several sentences bragging about the gourmet grocery stores within walking distance. In the last paragraph they inform you that there are no kitchen privileges. WTH?!  Am I supposed to feed myself by cooking out in the backyard on a hot rock? Oh, wait, I won’t have backyard privileges either…   Sigh… NEXT!

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You know what? I’ll confess. If I ever had a room to rent, I’d be likely to write one like #3…  There, I’m guilty.  But that shouldn’t be surprising considering that I REALLY want my own place.

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Craigslist weirdness, big city weirdness, and hell, even my weirdness (We all have a bit. Yes you too – don’t deny it 😉 ) are making for good times… NOT!  I’ve already told you about what happened to me last year and how I ended up in my current housing situation…  In any event, my goal is to rent a cheap room for a year, kill off any remaining credit card debt and save some money before I even think about getting my own place.

Assuming I find a decent room, what will I do with said anticipated saved money (~$3k – 8k)? I haven’t decided yet. Should I keep it as an emergency fund? I’m not convinced that my job is secure.  Should I put it in my high deductible HSA (health savings account)? My health issues will have to be addressed at some point. Should I use it to fund travel? Should I open a 401k with my employer and send it there? Should I just throw it at the $100k of student loan debt? I need to work through identifying and re-evaluating what my financial goals are.

Another year of renting a room means that next year I’ll be 40 and still homeless. Not literally of course, but for me, not having my own apartment feels like a form of homelessness. Is renting a room one step up from couch-surfing? Sometimes I wish I had a CTRL+ALT+DELETE reboot command for life. I wish life problems could be solved that easily…  Short of having that, it IS within our ability to launch our own personal life ‘task manager’. I can’t start over, but I can decide what I prioritize and spend time / money on going forward.  I can decide what activities/goals I shut down/drop from my life.

Decisions, decisions…

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“Debtor’s prison is real, and opportunity cost is a bitch.” (DDSW)

Is It Ok to Travel While in Debt?

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I’ve been reading some things in the blogosphere lately that have me thinking about my previous post in which I share my plan to take an international trip next year once out of credit card debt, but while still in student loan debt.

Trent at The Simple Dollar blog recently posted  about the importance of celebrating achievements in a smart way, and not in a destructive way. Yes, as usual, he makes some good points. It is wise to be deliberate in one’s decision making and to celebrate achievements in ways that do not sabotage one’s goals.

There are a lot of opinions on whether or not travel while in debt is acceptable.  At the most basic level, there are two opposing camps.

Tianna Madison of the U.S. competes in her women's 4x100m relay heat during the London 2012 Olympic Games at the Olympic Stadium

On one side of the argument are those who are against someone taking a trip while in debt regardless of circumstance.  The motto: “Stay the course. No detours. No distractions. Go! Go! Go!”

Anti-Travel  (while in debt)

  • (1) It’s all about the money

Numbers tell the story. Every penny thrown at debt is a penny closer to freedom, in the form of lower principal and less interest paid. Creditors are entitled to every penny you make until they get their money back. Not taking a trip means getting out of debt sooner.

If I take this trip, it will delay my student loan payoff by two months. To this camp, it is better to pay off all the debt first, then take the trips. If I throw everything at the student loans (minus bare minimum 401k contributions), I could pay them off in 4-5 years. I would be 45 before I could travel. If I contribute to retirement more aggressively, it would take me 10 years to get out of student loan debt. I would be 50 and graying before I could travel. ‘Oh well’, say the anti-travel people, ‘Them’s the breaks. You shouldn’t have gotten into so much debt’.   Believe me, had I known better back in those years, I would not have!

  • (2) It’s all about discipline

You must deny yourselves your wants, until your debts are repaid. It is the responsible thing to do. Taking international trips while in debt means that you aren’t really committed to debt repayment. Such trips are wasteful indulgences that will lead to a cascade of financial belt loosening in the future.

These are good arguments.

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In the other camp however are those who support more flexibility in high and long term debt payoff.
Motto: “Pace yourself. Don’t miss the important stuff.”

 Pro-Travel  (while in debt)

  • (1) It’s all about balance

If you have deep debt and are facing several years of  repayment, 5, 10, 15+ years, these people say that you need to pace yourself.  You need to be aggressive about paying off debt, but no so consumed by it that you risk burnout.

If you are no longer quite so young, say over 35 or over 40, you need to look at your projected length of debt repayment and make sure that you don’t let life pass you by while you are in repayment mode.  That would be the equivalent of living in debtor’s prison. It is ok to pick one or two important experiences that you want to have in your life and make sure that there is room for them throughout your repayment plan.

About this trip:
This is an organized trip that I had an opportunity to go on about 4 years ago. Because of certain conflicts (long story), I chose not to go. I have seriously regretted that decision ever since. This is a destination I’ve been wanting to visit for the past 8+ years. I always told myself that if I ever had another chance to go, I would jump on it and not let time pass me by.  As it turns out, I may be eligible again to do this trip. Of course, it would be saved and paid for in advance with cash. NO ADDED DEBT.

  • (2) It’s all about priorities

Red Debted Stepchild has written a fun, clever and witty argument for why she shouldn’t take heat for spending money on her #1 want – dining out.  In short, she writes that as Americans, we already spend money on wants. Very few things are truly needs. Having our own house/apartment (vs. having roommates) is a want. Having a car, children, pets, are all wants, not needs. Having them are choices. They are not required for us to live our lives.

Some people don’t want those things (or are willing to give them up for a significant period of time) and instead choose to direct their money to other wants. Assuming that the writer is financially responsible overall (actively paying down debt), just because her prioritized wants are different than someone else’s, doesn’t give anyone the right to judge where she allocates every penny of her money. Her burrito analogy is gold.

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So What is the Verdict?

I am not entirely decided, although I am leaning towards going on the trip. Getting out of debt is a priority for me, but I can’t let it become my only reason for living. We can always recover lost money, but we can’t recover lost time.

Andrea @SoOverThis faced a somewhat similar dilemma. At the the time she felt shamed by the personal finance blogosphere into reconsidering her decision to take a business trip.  Unfortunately, I don’t know what she ultimately decided, but commenters encouraged her to go because she had a responsible plan.

I have several months to think things over before making any decisions.  In the meantime, I’m staying focused on making my payments and looking for more ways to lower my living expenses.

What do you think? Which camp are you in?

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“Debtor’s prison is real, and opportunity cost is a bitch.” (DDSW)